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		<title>Comment on Medina Valley Class of &#8217;11 Loses Freedom by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Constitution different in small towns?  Is the Constitution not applicable because some unpopular out-of-towner invokes it?  This isn&#039;t about freedom from being offended; this is about religious activity being funded by government dollars.  The government and its assignees do not have freedom of speech in religious matters. The harm is actually irrelevant (but not non-existent), since a government-sanctioned prayer is outside of the realm of government power. If the student wants to lead a prayer, why does she not wait until she&#039;s no longer an agent of the state?  She could lead a special graduation service at her church.  I ask again, why is it so important that her prayer be conducted under the color of law?  

On the issue of negative versus positive rights, I don&#039;t know what more to say.  The First Amendment protects freedoms by restricting government action. It used to just apply to the U.S. government, but the 14th Amendment now applies those restrictions to state and local governments.  They protect freedom of religion by assuring that government can&#039;t interfere in religion.  It&#039;s the same mechanism that protects our Second Amendment rights as well (and our Third, and Fourth, and...).  Freedom isn&#039;t just some slogan that you get to shout whenever things don&#039;t go your way.  It&#039;s not an amorphous emotional blob.  It&#039;s a specific set of protections and assurances established by common, case and statutory law.  These laws and their applications follow specific logical pathways, like a math problem.  Perhaps you should take some time to learn how the mechanisms of our country actually work before you start discussing &quot;freedom.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Constitution different in small towns?  Is the Constitution not applicable because some unpopular out-of-towner invokes it?  This isn&#8217;t about freedom from being offended; this is about religious activity being funded by government dollars.  The government and its assignees do not have freedom of speech in religious matters. The harm is actually irrelevant (but not non-existent), since a government-sanctioned prayer is outside of the realm of government power. If the student wants to lead a prayer, why does she not wait until she&#8217;s no longer an agent of the state?  She could lead a special graduation service at her church.  I ask again, why is it so important that her prayer be conducted under the color of law?  </p>
<p>On the issue of negative versus positive rights, I don&#8217;t know what more to say.  The First Amendment protects freedoms by restricting government action. It used to just apply to the U.S. government, but the 14th Amendment now applies those restrictions to state and local governments.  They protect freedom of religion by assuring that government can&#8217;t interfere in religion.  It&#8217;s the same mechanism that protects our Second Amendment rights as well (and our Third, and Fourth, and&#8230;).  Freedom isn&#8217;t just some slogan that you get to shout whenever things don&#8217;t go your way.  It&#8217;s not an amorphous emotional blob.  It&#8217;s a specific set of protections and assurances established by common, case and statutory law.  These laws and their applications follow specific logical pathways, like a math problem.  Perhaps you should take some time to learn how the mechanisms of our country actually work before you start discussing &#8220;freedom.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on This Isn&#8217;t Just A Catholic Thing by defendit</title>
		<link>http://www.theloudtalker.com/2012/02/13/not-just-catholics/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>defendit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real target is the American constitution. Look at what ACLU/Democrat appointed U.S. Supreme Court Justice, RUTH TRAITOR GINSBURG, said overseas: that the American constitution should not be the model for governments established in 2012 (as she told Egyptians). 

Here&#039;s how I see our situation, hope you let me know what you think about this.


I will be behind either Santorum OR Romney because Obama AND the Red Army/Marxist/Occupy/Democrat/Media/unAmerican activity matrix needs to be defeated and beating Obama is only a necessary STEPPING STONE to do so.

So much damage will need to be undone it will be a tremendous and arduous task requiring sustained support and perseverence to restore America as a constitutional republic because we are in fact, in a post-constitutional non-kinetic civil war and the late stages of a socialist revolution.

Think not only of the bloated 4th branch of govt, the administrative state, but of legitimate government department and branches full of &quot;progressives&quot; such as Ruth Badger Ginsburg and those who have appointed her to the US Supreme Court, who believe that the American Constitution is fundamentally flawed and irrelevant in 2012, as Obama or the ACLU Clinton appointed Supreme Court Occupier would argue not only in America but also abroad.

That said, Romney seems to have more charisma and ability to think on his toes on the spot in responding to the media and to any challengers. He has my vote of confidence. I have not vetted Romney very thoroughly for his possible RINO-ness but resisted his candidacy initially because of his &quot;next in line&quot; establishment GOP support. I was a NoRomney guy but he has actually impressed me as events, since then, have been unfolding. My candidate was Herman Cain (one of the many GREATS in the tea party movement who are backing the wrong guy in my opinion) so when he got out of the race after the allegations against him I started looking at all the other candidates in a more neutral and dispassionate fashion.

In my estimation Romney is the right guy for the job, but Santorum would be fine, even &quot;better&quot; in theory because his conservative credentials are in better standing than Romney&#039;s. The trouble is Romney is far from being as bad as everyone thinks, he&#039;s been vetted, even Santorum endorsed him last time he ran. The problem with a Santorum candidacy is he is easier to hurt due to the fact that no matter how blatantly illegal and unAmerican Obama administration actions are, the media will siphon off some undecided voters here and some there each time they paint these actions as issues of Santorums religious ideas rather than Obama&#039;s attempt to force Americans to do or pay for things against their will. The media and Obama&#039;s other friends can&#039;t do that as easily with Romney so he would get that many more votes from undecideds and those who don&#039;t know too much about all the &quot;esoteric discussion&quot; about a Marxist extremist/utopian upbringing weirdo in the white house and just want America to get out of this mess and terrible danger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real target is the American constitution. Look at what ACLU/Democrat appointed U.S. Supreme Court Justice, RUTH TRAITOR GINSBURG, said overseas: that the American constitution should not be the model for governments established in 2012 (as she told Egyptians). </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I see our situation, hope you let me know what you think about this.</p>
<p>I will be behind either Santorum OR Romney because Obama AND the Red Army/Marxist/Occupy/Democrat/Media/unAmerican activity matrix needs to be defeated and beating Obama is only a necessary STEPPING STONE to do so.</p>
<p>So much damage will need to be undone it will be a tremendous and arduous task requiring sustained support and perseverence to restore America as a constitutional republic because we are in fact, in a post-constitutional non-kinetic civil war and the late stages of a socialist revolution.</p>
<p>Think not only of the bloated 4th branch of govt, the administrative state, but of legitimate government department and branches full of &#8220;progressives&#8221; such as Ruth Badger Ginsburg and those who have appointed her to the US Supreme Court, who believe that the American Constitution is fundamentally flawed and irrelevant in 2012, as Obama or the ACLU Clinton appointed Supreme Court Occupier would argue not only in America but also abroad.</p>
<p>That said, Romney seems to have more charisma and ability to think on his toes on the spot in responding to the media and to any challengers. He has my vote of confidence. I have not vetted Romney very thoroughly for his possible RINO-ness but resisted his candidacy initially because of his &#8220;next in line&#8221; establishment GOP support. I was a NoRomney guy but he has actually impressed me as events, since then, have been unfolding. My candidate was Herman Cain (one of the many GREATS in the tea party movement who are backing the wrong guy in my opinion) so when he got out of the race after the allegations against him I started looking at all the other candidates in a more neutral and dispassionate fashion.</p>
<p>In my estimation Romney is the right guy for the job, but Santorum would be fine, even &#8220;better&#8221; in theory because his conservative credentials are in better standing than Romney&#8217;s. The trouble is Romney is far from being as bad as everyone thinks, he&#8217;s been vetted, even Santorum endorsed him last time he ran. The problem with a Santorum candidacy is he is easier to hurt due to the fact that no matter how blatantly illegal and unAmerican Obama administration actions are, the media will siphon off some undecided voters here and some there each time they paint these actions as issues of Santorums religious ideas rather than Obama&#8217;s attempt to force Americans to do or pay for things against their will. The media and Obama&#8217;s other friends can&#8217;t do that as easily with Romney so he would get that many more votes from undecideds and those who don&#8217;t know too much about all the &#8220;esoteric discussion&#8221; about a Marxist extremist/utopian upbringing weirdo in the white house and just want America to get out of this mess and terrible danger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Medina Valley Class of &#8217;11 Loses Freedom by TheLoudTalker</title>
		<link>http://www.theloudtalker.com/2011/06/02/mvh2012/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLoudTalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our president is also trained in constitutional law, that means nothing to me. I appreciate your opinion and you taking the time to discuss the topic here. I also apologize for my profanity above.

The first states &quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech&quot;. I don&#039;t see how you interpret this to mean &quot;freedom FROM government interference in religion is the most appropriate way to read it.&quot;  The use of an opening prayer at a public school event is what I would consider free speech, not the establishment of a religion

I don&#039;t think we are a theocracy, I laughed in the faces of GWB haters that claimed he was a fascist theocrat. Nor do I have a desire for a theocracy. I have a desire for tolerance, free speech and tradition and/or community values. The person that caused this entire fiasco was an out of state transplant and trouble causer. I know this because my niece was in his class and gave me plenty of dirt on him. They moved from elsewhere into a very small town with strong Christian values and long lines of family lineage. All he had to do was sit through a few minutes of a prayer that was openly embraced and welcome by the community and life would have been dandy. 

Can you tell me what pain or suffering he would have experienced? Can you tell me how an opening prayer is an establishment of religion? Are you of the mindset that we should remove &quot;In God We Trust&quot; from our currency? Where does the line get drawn? What part of the Constitution says you are free from being offended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our president is also trained in constitutional law, that means nothing to me. I appreciate your opinion and you taking the time to discuss the topic here. I also apologize for my profanity above.</p>
<p>The first states &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech&#8221;. I don&#8217;t see how you interpret this to mean &#8220;freedom FROM government interference in religion is the most appropriate way to read it.&#8221;  The use of an opening prayer at a public school event is what I would consider free speech, not the establishment of a religion</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are a theocracy, I laughed in the faces of GWB haters that claimed he was a fascist theocrat. Nor do I have a desire for a theocracy. I have a desire for tolerance, free speech and tradition and/or community values. The person that caused this entire fiasco was an out of state transplant and trouble causer. I know this because my niece was in his class and gave me plenty of dirt on him. They moved from elsewhere into a very small town with strong Christian values and long lines of family lineage. All he had to do was sit through a few minutes of a prayer that was openly embraced and welcome by the community and life would have been dandy. </p>
<p>Can you tell me what pain or suffering he would have experienced? Can you tell me how an opening prayer is an establishment of religion? Are you of the mindset that we should remove &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; from our currency? Where does the line get drawn? What part of the Constitution says you are free from being offended?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Medina Valley Class of &#8217;11 Loses Freedom by Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theloudtalker.com/2011/06/02/mvh2012/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You stated that one could go to Iran to live a &quot;religion-free life.&quot;  It&#039;s easy to gather from that quote that you didn&#039;t actually understand that Iran is a theocracy.  And the text of the Constitution says neither &quot;freedom of religion&quot; or &quot;freedom from religion.&quot;  What the 1st says is that Congress (and all government by extension, through the 14th) can&#039;t promote or restrict.  It&#039;s a negative right (a restriction against the government) not a positive right (a citizen&#039;s entitlement to something, like right to counsel), so freedom FROM government interference in religion is the most appropriate way to read it.  Since this is a government event, religion doesn&#039;t have a place.  There are plenty of private events where your religion can be practiced freely, without interference from the government.

In other words, nobody&#039;s stifling Christianity.  The judge is just following established Constitutional Law, and saying that religion does not have a place in a publicly funded event.  Just because a prayer is only a few short minutes of religion doesn&#039;t mean its ok.  True intolerence is believing that your religion is so superior that you are entitled to co-opt state resources to practice it.

I don&#039;t think that America is a theocracy.  In fact, I know it&#039;s not, because I actually have been trained in constitutional law, and understand what it means to be American.  It&#039;s you that thinks that it should be, in that you think that your particular religion should be able to co-opt the mechanisms of the state for it&#039;s own benefit.  In this case, if it was so important, why didn&#039;t the student give a second speech at her church for her classmates?  If not for her (and your) desire for a theocracy, why was it necessary that the prayer be conducted under the color of law?

You can pray to whatever god you want; it&#039;s a free country.  Just don&#039;t do it on my dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You stated that one could go to Iran to live a &#8220;religion-free life.&#8221;  It&#8217;s easy to gather from that quote that you didn&#8217;t actually understand that Iran is a theocracy.  And the text of the Constitution says neither &#8220;freedom of religion&#8221; or &#8220;freedom from religion.&#8221;  What the 1st says is that Congress (and all government by extension, through the 14th) can&#8217;t promote or restrict.  It&#8217;s a negative right (a restriction against the government) not a positive right (a citizen&#8217;s entitlement to something, like right to counsel), so freedom FROM government interference in religion is the most appropriate way to read it.  Since this is a government event, religion doesn&#8217;t have a place.  There are plenty of private events where your religion can be practiced freely, without interference from the government.</p>
<p>In other words, nobody&#8217;s stifling Christianity.  The judge is just following established Constitutional Law, and saying that religion does not have a place in a publicly funded event.  Just because a prayer is only a few short minutes of religion doesn&#8217;t mean its ok.  True intolerence is believing that your religion is so superior that you are entitled to co-opt state resources to practice it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that America is a theocracy.  In fact, I know it&#8217;s not, because I actually have been trained in constitutional law, and understand what it means to be American.  It&#8217;s you that thinks that it should be, in that you think that your particular religion should be able to co-opt the mechanisms of the state for it&#8217;s own benefit.  In this case, if it was so important, why didn&#8217;t the student give a second speech at her church for her classmates?  If not for her (and your) desire for a theocracy, why was it necessary that the prayer be conducted under the color of law?</p>
<p>You can pray to whatever god you want; it&#8217;s a free country.  Just don&#8217;t do it on my dime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Medina Valley Class of &#8217;11 Loses Freedom by TheLoudTalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLoudTalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, i realize Iran is a theocracy. It is also a place where single-minded intolerant people can live and let others think for them. I can&#039;t change your mind or educate you as to the humanity of tolerance. The irreligious left drives me nuts, the hypocritical lack of tolerance is mind-numbing. You are fine with stifling those you disagree with, but if someone dares to disagree with you the only plan you have is to attack or muzzle your opposition. I like the idea of &quot;love it or leave it.&quot; If you think America is a theocracy, you are beyond help. The mention of the word God is not promoting religion. If saying words makes them promotion, allow me to take a page out of the liberal play book and say &quot;Mic check! You are an asshole.&quot; Therefore, you are an asshole because I said it, right? I obviously have the power to alter reality by merely speaking. Have a great life, I pray that you grow up and learn something before you and your ilk cause even more damage to our great country. Wait, I can&#039;t pray for you, you might think I&#039;m trying to convert you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, i realize Iran is a theocracy. It is also a place where single-minded intolerant people can live and let others think for them. I can&#8217;t change your mind or educate you as to the humanity of tolerance. The irreligious left drives me nuts, the hypocritical lack of tolerance is mind-numbing. You are fine with stifling those you disagree with, but if someone dares to disagree with you the only plan you have is to attack or muzzle your opposition. I like the idea of &#8220;love it or leave it.&#8221; If you think America is a theocracy, you are beyond help. The mention of the word God is not promoting religion. If saying words makes them promotion, allow me to take a page out of the liberal play book and say &#8220;Mic check! You are an asshole.&#8221; Therefore, you are an asshole because I said it, right? I obviously have the power to alter reality by merely speaking. Have a great life, I pray that you grow up and learn something before you and your ilk cause even more damage to our great country. Wait, I can&#8217;t pray for you, you might think I&#8217;m trying to convert you.</p>
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